Astrophotography from $100 to $10,000

i have five different setups 
for astrophotography here   and tonight they are all going to be centered on 
one patch of sky the core of our milky way galaxy   in an epic one night shootout the contenders 
are using your smartphone with a DIY hand turned   tracker a basic DSLR and kit lens on a tripod a 
basic DSLR and fast telephoto lens on a motorized   star tracker a modified DSLR and a small 
refractor telescope on a budget go to mount   and lastly a dedicated mono camera with LRGB 
filters in a motorized filter wheel and a   premium refractor with an automated 
focuser all on a heavy go-to mount. Welcome! My name is Nico Carver and 
i'm interested in helping people   explore this wonderful hobby we call 
astrophotography which simply means   photographing the night sky tonight I'll show 
you some different approaches to astrophotography   in terms of the the gear that you may choose to 
use to shoot the night sky and I'll walk through   how each system works how you set each one up 
to get the best results possible and of course   we're going to compare the final images that i've 
produced with each kit all in one night this is a   shootout in the sense that the other night i shot 
the same patch of sky with each kit but it's by no   means a scientific test as the systems are just 
too different in nature to try to like closely   match settings um so it's not apples to apples 
here it's more apples to oranges to passionfruit   but that's the point for fans of short videos 
this is probably not going to be one of those but   check out my channel and subscribe um because i've 
been putting out a lot of shorter videos recently   including a series you may have seen of five 
minute and under videos every friday that i'm   calling five minute fridays first off i want to 
give a huge thank you to high point scientific   which is a great online store for all 
things astronomy and astrophotography   they have telescopes mounts cameras accessories 
really everything that you'd need to get started   and this is not sponsored by them meaning that no 
money is exchanged hands but in my request high   point scientific did lend me the skywatcher eqm35 
mount and the apertura 72 millimeter refractor   which came with a matching field flattener and 
this is a huge help because going forward with   this channel i can't afford to buy everything 
that i want to review and show you in these videos   um but that said everything else in this video are 
things that i've personally bought over the years   you know i really have way too much stuff but i 
can always do more giveaways i wanted to say that   a number of these cameras and the skywatcher star 
adventure and things like that are things that i   bought specifically for this channel with proceeds 
from my patreon campaign which really keeps this   channel going so another huge thanks to everyone 
who supports me over on patreon it's a patreon.com   nebula photos and if you're interested it starts 
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including participation in imaging challenges   exclusive giveaways exclusive channels on my 
discord server zoom chats all kinds of stuff the first kit uh we're looking at here may look a 
little bit strange if you're new to amateurist or   photography or new to my channel this is a device 
that i built to manually track the night sky   uh it costs about 30 in parts to make the 
tracker and if you're interested in building it   i have a video for that of course i'll link it 
in the right corner here and also in the video   description the rest of the hundred dollars 
for this kit is used for buying a sturdy   tripod that i got you could get used and a clamp 
for your smartphone i'm not including the cost   of the smartphone itself um because i'm guessing 
most people have access to a phone or some kind   of camera another thing i want to point out 
with this kit is i call it the diyer because   my thinking with this one is just you know trying 
to get the most out of things you have around the   house or can build for pretty cheap which is why 
i don't include the cost of the smartphone itself   um because the point is really just use any 
camera you can get your hands on whether it's   in a smartphone or a point-and-shoot or whatever 
it is and put it on top of this barn door tracker   and with any of these cameras including the 
smartphone it's worth seeing if the camera   shoots in raw format and use that rather than jpeg 
if that's an option if it only shoots jpeg that's   okay too for this just make sure you pick the 
highest quality jpeg option let's now go through   the steps of setting up the diy-er thank you to 
maggie so much for assisting with the b-roll here   so we start by putting the tripod on solid ground 
and pointing it roughly north or south if you're   in the southern hemisphere and then we put the 
barn door tracker on make sure it's securely   attached and then the same thing we put our phone 
or whatever camera you're using on top of the barn   door tracker then comes polar alignment in the 
northern hemisphere a cheap way to do this is   just with a basic siding device like a little uh 
straw i'm using a metal drinking straw here and   we just need to line up the the pole star which 
is polaris in the you know which is pretty close   to the north celestial pole okay then after we're 
polar aligned we're just going to take the phone   point it at the center of the milky way work out 
some of the settings here in the camera app uh the   app that comes on my huawei phone is very good 
for giving me pretty much full control over the   settings in pro mode but if your native camera app 
isn't very good just check out the your app store   or the google play store as there are a number of 
um alternative apps these days i've heard about   night cap camera for ios and deep sky camera for 
android are two uh really good apps i've heard   okay let's talk about the pros and cons of this 
kit the pros are it's inexpensive uh especially if   you're using a camera you already have around like 
a smartphone it's very quick to set up it's pretty   lightweight the cons are you're limited to very 
wide field uh both due to how the tracker works   but also just if you're using a smartphone it 
probably only has like wide angle lenses another   con and sort of a big one for me actually is 
that it can get sort of tiring and boring because   you're manually moving the clock wheel uh for the 
entire time and this could be overcome by adding   a small motor to the tracker which is something 
i'm really interested in trying okay the last   con is that it requires a lot of tinkering to get 
good results both the manual barn door tracker and   the phone required a lot of trial and error with 
both technique and with settings before i could   really get anything that i liked and this isn't 
necessarily a con it's just something to keep in   mind if you don't like tinkering then this kit 
is probably not the one for you okay let's look   at the image i produce now i'm pretty happy with 
it the colors look reasonably good the star color   we got some nice detail on the large dark nebulae 
in the milky way and it shows off some of the   other kits in the bottom right corner here in the 
foreground that we're going to be talking about this next kit i love just because of how simple it 
is hence the nickname i picked for it the keeping   it simple what you need for this kit is just any 
dslr or mirrorless camera with the wide-angle   zoom kit lens that came with it and we're going to 
use the kit lens all the way zoomed out so in my   case that's 18 millimeter focal length i'm using a 
canon t7 here which is their most affordable dslr   the only other two pieces of gear i used are a 
tripod and again i prefer a used tripod if you   can get one from like a good brand and then lastly 
we have this super cheap little shutter release   cable here this thing is pretty great because it 
doesn't even take batteries it's just a simple   circuit with some wires and a little switch this 
button which um if you you know press it down   it takes a picture if you press halfway 
it focuses if you have it on auto focus   and then you can also lock it like that and so 
i've used this before as a manual bulb timer like   just like lock it wait for five minutes and then 
unlock it but a commenter on an older video of   mine pointed out that you can just put a dslr on 
continuous shooting mode and then lock the switch   and the camera will continuously keep taking 
photos until you either unlock the switch   or the battery runs out or your memory card 
fills and i love this because it's simple   it does exactly what i want and nothing more and 
i don't have to worry about what does interval   versus delay mean or that kind of thing and it's 
also cheaper than an intervalometer i don't have   to worry about batteries since it doesn't take 
any so the only time i still use an intervalometer   is if i'm taking pictures longer than 30 seconds 
each and that usually only comes up once you add   tracking which we'll get to next uh setup 
for the keeping it simple is a breeze you   just plop down the tripod add the camera point 
it at a bright star or planet manually focus by   making that bright star as small as possible 
in the live view with 10 times zoom turned on   and once you're focused you pointed at what 
you are shooting in this case the milky way   core you lock the shutter release and let it 
take hundreds of photos and for super wide angle   stuff like this at 18 millimeters we don't 
really have to re-center that often i always   just recenter when i check focus which depending 
on how much the temperature is changing i usually   do every 20 30 40 minutes something like that so 
i think i re-centered once during the night and   i took like 600 pictures um the settings were iso 
3200 10 seconds exposure lens wide open at f 3.5   the reason i went to 10 seconds even though that 
was a little bit past what the mpf rule suggested   is f 3.5 is a little bit slower than i'm usually 
at so i wanted to get as much light in as i could   uh to bring down the noise here are what i see 
as the pros and cons of this setup the pros are   it's very simple and it's pretty low effort the 
setup time is just very fast you just need to   focus point it milky way start snapping away it's 
relatively low cost if you're a photographer you   might already have a camera lens you can use 
and a tripod and the shutter release cable   and it's pretty easy to upgrade you just need 
to upgrade the lens to get much better results   now speaking of the results i'd say that's the 
only con is that the results aren't like super   great they're not that much better than the diy-er 
where we had the barn door tracker but the reason   is i think because the kit lens is just a little 
bit soft so you could consider a lens upgrade to   get better performance um you know if you want 
to throw money at it or if you're a tinkerer   you could combine this kit with the di wire so if 
you have a dslr you can put that on the barn door   tracker for thirty dollars you have tracking 
and that's gonna give you better results too   anyways let's get to the final image this is 
the final stacked image that i made with the   kit the the kit lens is you can see really 
bloats the blue stars some people actually i   think find this pretty i think that it is okay 
it makes them a little bit overpowering though   but all in all you know it's a nice picture of 
the milky way core and i think shows a little   bit more detail than the smartphone shot okay 
the name of this one is of course a little bit   you know tongue-in-cheek it's it's but it's true 
that many people who go as far as getting a small   star tracker like the skywatcher star adventure 
i found get really hooked on astrophotography   because they realize how fun it is and so then 
they spend a lot more eventually to get the   full go-to mountain telescope which is what we'll 
cover next but the gateway drug is a very capable   kit that opens you up to many new possibilities 
since the star adventure can track the night sky   with not just a wide angle lens but a telephoto 
lens and in this case i'm using a prime telephoto   called the rokinon 135 f2 which is a great 
value for astrophotography i got mine for 450   when it was on sale they go on sale frequently 
and the reason it's a great value is because it's   pretty sharp wide open at f2 it's pretty amazing 
the bot and off mask and the usb dew heater strip   are optional but they don't really add too 
much to the cost especially if like me you can   3d print your body knob mask from a friend or a 
library the bodenav mask if you're unfamiliar is a   focusing aid that works well with telephoto lenses 
and with telescopes and you just point it at a   bright star and you you line up the central line 
with this x pattern that the the star forms when   you put the mask on you have to remember to take 
the mask back off but then you have perfect focus   the dew heater is to keep the lens from fogging 
up really we could use this on any of the kits   but i'm just with this kit since we're like a 
little bit more advanced i think you probably   should get the dew heater especially if you are in 
a place with high humidity or if you're going to   be pointing the lens more up if the lens is pretty 
perpendicular then the the lens hood usually can   prevent most dew from falling on the glass 
but in the summer i do recommend a dew heater   this setup is a little bit more involved we 
need to get everything securely attached the   star adventurer goes directly on the tripod legs 
and then we put this thing called the declination   bracket in the clamp on the star adventure finally 
the camera and the lens go on top of that then we   need to make sure that it's balanced between the 
camera and the counterweight this is so we don't   put too much stress on the gears which are turning 
everything after that's done we look through a   tiny little telescope built into the tracker 
called a polar alignment scope and this is how   we line it up with the north celestial pole or 
the self celestial pole with polar alignment done   we then turn to focusing the main lens and this 
time like i said if you have a bodenav mask you   can use one if not just make the stars as small as 
possible we then point the telescope at our target   unlike the previous two kits we now need to do a 
bit more of a precision pointing um because to get   it framed up how we want because we're not just 
pointing at the milky way we want to point at the   really interesting part which for me is the 
lagoon and trifid right in the center there   and so uh this can be frustrating to to know how 
to point and how to find things in the night sky   it's a learning process it takes many nights but 
i do have a video on some tips to use technology   to help you out a little bit but don't expect 
to be great at it right away okay with all that   done we've taken a test shot we know we're pointed 
correctly we're in focus we then turn on tracking   on the star adventure program the intervalometer 
to take let's say 100 shots and after about 100   shots at 30 seconds each that's time that i'd 
like to check focus if focus looks good then i'll   take another 100 if not then i'll refocus and then 
reprogram the intervalometer take another 100 then   at the end of the night we're going to take our 
calibration frames which are our dark bias and   flats with the flats you do need some kind of 
white light source so like an ipad works well   a tracing tablet anything that's sort of flat 
and white you just put that right on top of the   lens to take the flats i go into a lot more detail 
about how to take these things in sort of my start   to finish videos so i'm not going to go into 
all of that now since this is just more about   comparison and how you set these different things 
up the pros of this kit are it's still pretty   lightweight and portable you can definitely take 
it on an airplane as i have many times before and   it's pretty versatile we could we could use it for 
tracked milky way shooting with a wide angle lens   or like we're doing here focus in on some large 
nebulae like lagoon and driffid with a telephoto   lens or a small telescope it works with stuff you 
may already have like it works with the tripod it   works with a camera and lens so instead of 
spending you know the full 1500 you may just   be spending 425 to get the star tracker and 
i really like that the star tracker runs it   for a long time on double a batteries very 
convenient the cons are that the setup time   is starting to get longer especially if you're 
new to astrophotography both polar alignment   and finding objects at higher focal length can can 
take a bit of time a last con is that i've heard   for many that the star tracker is not available in 
their country so it can be frustrating to see all   these videos about how great it is and then and 
not be able to buy one okay let's look at what   i produced with this setup this was 300 lights 
at 30 seconds each so about two and a half hours   total i shot it iso 3200 with the rokinon 
wide open at f2 as i said earlier i did get   the calibration frames with this one so 50 each of 
darks bias and flats and you can see we got some   great detail on the lagoon and trifid nebulae here 
as well as the star field the rokinon lens i think   is very impressive on the stars especially on a 
crop sensor camera like i was using a canon t7   this mounted telescope for for this kit that 
getting serious were lent to me by the fine   folks at high point scientific and so um this was 
only my second night shooting with this mountain   telescope i did a brief test a couple nights 
before to make sure it was all working okay   which it was and then this was my 
first real experience shooting with it   and i was very impressed by both the mount and 
the telescope the mount again is a sky watcher   eqm 35 mount and it it does have some faults i the 
accuracy of the go-to system with just the hand   controller what we'd call the pointing accuracy it 
wasn't that impressive but the tracking which is   more important to me was was great for 30 
second exposures at a focal length of 430   millimeters with this aperture refractor i was 
getting perfect stars every every single shot   i didn't have any trailing issues the stars 
looked great across the field for the camera   i got a barely used canon t7 off ebay for 350 and 
then i had it modified for 300 from astrogear.net   and i'll be doing more of a review of different 
kinds of dslr modifications in future videos   now for the accessories i decided to keep 
it pretty simple we could have gone a lot   with more stuff here but i just went with like a 
dew heater controller a dew heater strap for the   the telescope i'm controlling the dslr with an 
intervalometer and i used a bodenav mask for   focusing now you of course can add a lot more 
to this kit uh auto guiding computer control   automated focusing all this kind of stuff but i 
was interested in just keeping it to the basics   um to keep it just sort of to the minimal kit for 
a telescope and for for me this is the really the   base kit that i'd suggest if you want to get into 
astrophotography with a telescope i wouldn't try   to spend much less than this now to power it 
all i was feeding both this kit and the next   kit i'll show you off one big deep cycle lead acid 
battery which is a pretty affordable battery given   the huge capacity but the downside of that kind 
of battery is that it's super heavy uh the truth   is though um i would never really consider this 
a portable kit you really need a car to bring   all this stuff to a dark site so you couldn't 
hike with this the just the tripod is huge   so the heaviness of the battery doesn't matter too 
much uh to me as long as i can safely lift it out   of the car setup of this one is a bit more complex 
than the last one it just uh it takes a little bit   more time we just need to get everything securely 
attached to the mount we we balance it we pull   our align with the built-in polar scope we turn 
everything on and then there's a bit of setup   there's the hand controller set up we have to 
feed it some information like our location our   gps location you can get all this information from 
a smartphone app like polar finder pro you just   type it in here then we go through a three star 
alignment process and this is to train the go to   system and it's it's going to point the telescope 
at different bright stars and then you have to   center them on your dslr screen by pressing left 
right up and down arrows on the hand controller   now even after i did this the go to's were still 
about a degree off and so i really should have   brought like a telrad some kind of finder scope 
because this could really get frustrating fast   if you're doing go-to's and they're off the 
caveat i'll mention is that this again was   just my second night using it so i could maybe 
there's some way to fine tune the pointing   one way of course is you can connect it to 
a computer and then you can plate solve to   correct the pointing and that's really 
fast and good the pros of this setup are   we can accurately track at 430 millimeters 
which gives us a much more detailed view   of deep sky objects another pro is that the 
mount can handle the weight of a telescope   and telescopes can be really optimized for 
astrophotography more so than camera lenses   it also has more potential for upgrades we can 
as i mentioned we could add complete automation   if we wanted to the cons are there is much more to 
learn here before you can get good results and the   kit is way too heavy and bulky at this point to 
hike or fly with it uh it's really just like a you   could put it in your car and bring it somewhere 
all right and here is the final image i was super   impressed by this not a huge amount of effort to 
get really nice results this is only 159 lights   at 30 seconds each so under 90 minutes total at 
an f ratio of f6 iso 3200 the the star rendering   is amazing the field flattener is clearly doing 
its job as the stars look around in the corners   it's amazing to me that the whole telescope and 
field flattener is only 700 if you get them as a   set because these stars look near perfect i didn't 
see any excessive star bloat or color fringing so   i think this is going to be really hard to 
beat but let's see if the next kid can do it   this is my personal kit that i've been slowly 
adding to and upgrading parts over the years   at this point almost everything in it has been 
upgraded at least once and that's how i can afford   something like this i've never had this much 
money all at once but i just save up for one   new upgrade or thing at a time if i want a new 
telescope i can then offset the cost a bit by   selling my old one so to step through this the eq 
6r mount you may have heard of because it's just a   tremendous value at around sixteen hundred dollars 
for a mount that will reliably holds like 30   plus pounds and has you know reasonably 
good and reliable pointing and tracking   the camera i'm using i also love it's relatively 
new to me but so far so good the qhy 268m   it's a mono camera meaning i need filters in 
front of it and i use two inch filters from   and leah and a qhy seven position filter wheel i 
have lrgb and the three main narrow band filters   being sulfur oxygen and hydrogen alpha for guiding 
i use an off axis guider with the zwo asi 290 mini   the telescope is a stellar view svq 86 that 
they only made a very limited run of in 2018   so i'm very happy to have gotten one because i 
love it it has an aperture of 86 millimeters focal   length of 464.

So that makes it a focal ratio of 
5.4 and then i have a bunch of accessories the   main ones are i have an op tech autofocus system a 
pegasus pocket power box for power and dew heater   stuff and then a qhy pole master for its computer 
assisted polar alignment the setup of this one is   actually not too bad because i've really refined 
it over the years and keep most things connected   to the top of the telescope so i can just 
plop the whole thing on connect a few wires   balance it and then basically the rest of the 
setup is on the laptop i have a whole video on   how i do this kind of setup you might need 
updating because i made it a few years ago   now but most of it i think is still how i do it 
it's still good information i still use all the   same programs i use then like eq mod cartoucl 
phd2 pull master and sequence generator pro   i'm not going to go deep into the software stuff 
but i'll just say that there are so many options   for software that control your gear that it can be 
a little bit overwhelming if you're a beginner but   i just suggest trying things out seeing if you 
like them don't feel pressured to use something   just because someone else does or something 
like that use whatever makes sense to you for me   once i've learned a process that is giving me good 
data i don't really feel the need to change unless   i have to for some reason once i hit start start 
sequence on sequence generator pro everything   is automated it does an automated focus routine 
every half hour it guides and dithers on its own   it changes the filters on its own if the object 
if the object i'm shooting crosses the meridian   it will flip the telescope to the other side of 
the mount so it can continue tracking and this is   really what you are paying for with something like 
this it's just a piece of mind that you can leave   it alone you don't have to babysit it and it will 
be reliable give you reliably good data and for me   this is worth a lot because i can then work on big 
multi-year projects that i enjoy with my main kit   while i'm testing things making youtube videos 
helping friends and just enjoying the night sky   so for me the main pros of this setup are one 
automation two reliable data quality and three   great narrow band data even from the city this 
isn't something i'm going to really talk about   in this video but i have three nanometer antelia 
narrowband filters for this kit and that lets me   image from somerville where i live which is portal 
8 right next to downtown boston now the cons are   this kit is very heavy and bulky it's expensive 
and it's complex and the the main problem with   complexity is if something goes wrong there 
are so many possibilities for what it could be   because there are literally dozens and dozens 
of possible points of failure with a kit like   this one but i've learned two things about complex 
astro setups over the years first one always bring   extra cables for everything in your kit you 
know you want an extra cable and if something   isn't connecting or something's acting weird try 
switching out the cable because i can't tell you   how many times that's worked for some reason even 
if i don't think the cable is bad changing the   cable then it works the second thing is once 
everything's updated on your laptop or your   raspberry pi or whatever you're using don't update 
the software and i know sometimes you maybe you   want to update the software because there's a 
new feature or something if you have to update   do it on a new moon see if anything breaks if 
and then you know have a plan for rolling back   to your stable setup if something goes wrong okay 
looking at the final image this is 20 luminance   frames and 10 each of red green and blue all at 
two minutes each so a total of one hour 40 minutes   i think the main things that make it stand apart 
a bit from the last image with the last kit is   that it's already pretty low noise and that's 
mostly thanks to this amazing camera the qhy 268m   the star color and the contrast in general are 
a little bit more pleasing to me i mean i'm sure   i could match the two images better in terms of 
color in processing but i basically just did very   minimal processing to show you more the baseline 
differences between these different kits and again   i don't think that in terms of just normal color 
image performance that the life for kit is worth   four times more than the getting 
serious kit it's really when you add in   narrow band capabilities and all the 
automation that you start to get why   it's so much more expensive for that sort of 
peace of mind now that we have a feel for each kit   let's do some comparisons and let's start with 
the weight of each kit the total weight of the   di wire is 7 pounds or 3.2 kilograms i can easily 
lift the whole thing with one arm move it around   i'd say that it would be pretty easy just to strap 
it to a backpack and hike with it if you want   the keeping it simple is even lighter at 5.5 
pounds or 2.5 kilograms definitely easy to   hike with the total weight of the gateway drug 
is about 13 pounds or 5.9 kilograms definitely   still can hike with it but it's more than double 
the weight of either of the first two kits and the   total weight of the getting serious kit is 31.2 
pounds or 14.2 kilograms and this is without the   lead acid battery i use to power it which alone 
weighs 59 pounds or 26.8 kilograms this is the   kind of setup where i don't want to move it and 
any further than i have to the reason i separated   the battery out from the the total weight is 
because if the weight of the battery was a concern   you could definitely get a lighter battery the 
big lithium batteries are still substantially more   expensive than a lead acid but i think the 
prices have been falling a bit in recent years   and the lithium battery batteries will be 
much much lighter like around 10 pounds   uh the total weight of the lifer is 103 pounds or 
46.7 kilograms and that's without the lead acid   battery which again is an additional 59 pounds so 
why a three times increase in weight from the git   and serious well the main thing is the eq 6r 
is a good reliable mount partly because they   just make it super heavy the mount head alone 
is like 40 pounds the tripod is 15 or 16 pounds   and then you have 22 pounds of counterweights and 
so before we even add my tricked out telescope   we're at about 77 pounds with the eq 6r the good 
thing about it being so heavy is that makes it   more resistant to things like wind and vibration 
which can easily ruin astrophotos but the downside   of it being heavy is that it's quite the pain to 
move it around i live on a third floor apartment   so bringing all this stuff down and up uh to the 
car every night i want to image is a bit of a pain   another comparison that i find interesting is you 
know from the moment that you start taking the kit   out of the car till when you start taking images 
of the night sky is all what i'd call setup time   so we're going to compare the setup times that 
i recorded for each kit the diy required little   setup is just sort of putting the tracker on the 
phone on the tripod very roughly polar lighting   you know aiming the phone at the milky way 
finding focus so with practice the total for me   has is down to eight minutes with that kit 
with all these numbers keep in mind that i   practice i'm an experienced astrophotographer so 
starting out don't try to like match these it's   really just a point of comparison between the 
different kits the keeping it simple required   nothing but focus and pointing the camera at the 
milky way so it only took me three minutes to   set up the gateway drug required putting it 
together balancing polar alignment focusing   finding your target and finding the target was 
a bit hard the other night because i forgot all   kinds of finder devices so it took me 28 minutes 
but i think if i had remembered a finder device   i could have brought that down to 20 minutes the 
getting serious kit required putting it together   balancing polar aligning setting up the hand 
controller performing a three-star alignment   and then going to the lagoon nebula but finding 
that it was off so then having to really find it   and then focusing in total it took me 35 minutes 
but with practice and a finder scope i'm sure   that i could probably get that down to like 30 
minutes the lifer is the kit that i use most   often and so it's very much in my muscle memory 
and i also have tried to make the setup of it as   efficient as possible since i do it so often so i 
have it down to 16 minutes when i go pretty fast i think the main takeaway from this comparison is 
you know especially with the lifer being faster   than the middle two is that a more complex setup 
doesn't necessarily mean longer setup time because   there's a lot of ways that you can make the 
setup more efficient and one of those is actually   controlling a lot of things through the computer 
can actually make you faster because plate solving   for instance makes finding things so much faster 
another comparison that's semi-related is active   time meaning the time that you actively have to 
sit there with the kit doing something and i'll   measure this in terms of percentages the diy er 
is 100 active time because i'm actively moving the   wheel to track so if i get an hour of data that 
means that i'm sitting there for an hour moving   the wheel with the keeping it simple if you don't 
take any calibration frames and you don't recenter   it's maybe zero percent but for me it was five 
percent because i did check focus and recenter   once with the gateway drug it just depends sort 
of on how much you check things like how much you   check focus and the tracking is working but i'd 
say it's somewhere between five and ten percent   because you're also i also took calibration frames 
it's the same exact thing with the getting serious   i um you know five to ten percent something 
like that i should point out though that with   neither setup did i feel the need to manually do 
a meridian flip and then re-center and all that   um because it didn't look like there was any 
danger of running into the tripod legs so i didn't   do a meridian flip but if i had that probably 
would have added to that added to the active time   it probably would have climbed above 10 percent 
with either setup with the lifer as i've mentioned   everything is automated focusing blah blah blah 
so the active time is zero percent and you might   be wondering well what about calibration frames i 
do those at home with the lifer because everything   stays connected so i can even do flats at home so 
there's you know after i get it set up it's all uh   passive i don't have to i don't have to worry 
about it with that kit okay we've made it to   the final comparison which is just the actual 
images themselves that i took with each kit   i'll quickly show each one full screen and then we 
can look at some crops i didn't really try to have   any kind of consistent workflow in processing here 
i just made them look as best as they could with   simple processing techniques like 
curves and saturation after i stacked here are some crops now at 100 zoom   these are centered on the lagoon nebula 
sort of like in my thumbnail for the video and then now here is centered on the trifid nebula   again all of these finished photos plus my 
unprocessed stacked tiffs for each kit is   available at a link in the description and i've 
also arranged these as kits with affiliate links   to each item on kit dot co nebula photos and you 
can find that link in the video description as   well hope this was helpful to you all out there 
since this is a long video you're now seeing the   names of all my patreon supporters if you want 
to be in the credits to any long video like this   you can sign up over on patreon.com nebula photos 
in addition to having your name in the credits as   you're seeing now there are lots of benefits to 
joining us over on patreon i organize a monthly   imaging challenge which is a lot of fun and 
the winning images each month are published on   my instagram and also on an astrobin group i also 
do zoom chats where you can ask me questions live   we've been doing those on sundays so it's really 
worth your while to sign up so you don't miss out   well till next time this has 
been Nico Carver.

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